[drshrinkwrap]

I hope you are right. Let's all keep an eye out for Apple or 3rd parties developing an application to meet the need for repeating alerts. If we use this forum to keep up to date, we can all be "early adopters."

[mdavenport]

Can IntelliScreen be installed on firmware v2.0 that has been jailbroke? I can't find it in App Store or Cydia?

Any ideas?
Mark

[Kally]

BTW - I downloaded SMSNotify a while back and it does not not vibrate to let you know that you have an SMS that you have not seen - all I get is a little balloon on the taskbar on the top so I see that there is a SMS message without unlocking my phone each time but no vibrating notification.

[IvanRaide]

Kally: SMSNotify does vibrate and play sound, you are thinking of TaskBar Notifier, BUT the problem with SMSNotify is it can NOT wake up the device so if an SMS is missed for more then the typical 5 minute deep suspend period, it will NOT wake up again to tell you. (if you read the forum article there are some tricks but its NOT great)


For others NOT on firmware 2.0, iLog, Kate, Intelliscreen all have wakeup SMS/email/phone call notification systems but they all want money.


AppStore will NOT have this in the near future because it requires a background daemon running which AppStore does NOT allow.


Finally, as for the Apple Notification Service (via 2.1), this is NOT for waking up the device to tell you you have a SMS. Basically this service allows a server that a developer makes to contact a specific phone to give it a message. Which means your server would have to know that you got a SMS/eMail/Phone call. (at least from the dev-info I have read)

[drshrinkwrap]

IvanRaide thanks for the info. You mention "AppStore will NOT have this in the near future because it requires a background daemon running which AppStore does NOT allow."

If that is the case, do you think there is any hope that Apple will, themselves, update the iPhone software to include this, ala interstink's comment:

"According to numerous tipsters this .1 release includes the beginnings of the iPhone notification services as well as some improvements in the location awareness area."

Finally, excuse my ignorance but, besides cost, what are the risks of using programs like 2.0, iLog, Kate, Intelliscreen?

Thanks

[IvanRaide]

Finally, excuse my ignorance but, besides cost, what are the risks of using programs like 2.0, iLog, Kate, Intelliscreen?

Well Kate and Intelliscreen hook pretty early in the boot process so when they have gone wrong, people have had to restore their phones, that would be the only real risk, (and the risk to your wallet) I used both Kate and Intelliscreen and though I stuck with it, I did have a couple of infinite reboot scenario's .... kinda buggy apps, and given there is no 'safe mode' on the iphone they can be deadly ... that being said if you have SSH turned on on reboot you can even get around these problems.

Apple will, themselves, update the iPhone software to include this ala interstink's comment:

Well I definitely don't think the notification service will fix this since the server-notifier will not know about your sms/phonecalls, (though if the server was your exchange server, it MIGHT know you have an email, but definitely NOT the scope-design apple is thinking of.

I'm kinda shocked Apple didn't include this and hasn't included it in updates, but when you think about it, WM also needed apps like PA to get similar functionality, (including obvious things like phone scheduled profiles), so maybe Apple and MS are just not experienced enough in the phone market to release what people need. But given how few iLog/Kate/Intelliscreen types apps there are, maybe a lot of people just don't need this feature, (though I KNOW I do!)

[interstink]

Originally Posted by IvanRaide

Finally, as for the Apple Notification Service (via 2.1), this is NOT for waking up the device to tell you you have a SMS. Basically this service allows a server that a developer makes to contact a specific phone to give it a message. Which means your server would have to know that you got a SMS/eMail/Phone call. (at least from the dev-info I have read)

You are absolutly right - five minutes after my post I realized what "NOTIFICATION" meant to apple.

I think they will be using this for iChat for the iPhone and other applications that need notify during sleep.

[drshrinkwrap]

Some questions:
1. Do you think it's worth holding out for Apple or Apple apps to address this problem? (I've scheduled the cancellation of my pager and need to do something soon).

2. Do the fixes you have described affect the warranty on the iPhone 3G or the ability to get updates? (no kidding, what is jail break, and how does it affect the phone)?

3. Do you have the web address for any of these software solutions? What is the price range for these fixes? Is there one you recommend most?

4.

I did have a couple of infinite reboot scenario's .... kinda buggy apps, and given there is no 'safe mode' on the iphone they can be deadly ... that being said if you have SSH turned on on reboot you can even get around these problems.

IvanRaide, your expertise is way beyond mine. I don't have a clue what you are saying here, especially the "SSH turned on" part. Could you indulge me and answer like you are talking to a kindergardener?

5. I just can't believe there aren't LOTS of people who need (or could use) a repeat alarm feature. Without it, I realize I did make a bad purchase.

[IvanRaide]

drshrinkwrap: If you have bought a 3G then I don't believe there is any solution for you except SMSNotify. At least for now, there is no firmware 2.0 compatible version of iLog, Kate, Intelliscreen. If its possible, you could get a 2G iPhone and run 1.1.4 that could run those apps, (or keep the pager?)

As for the "tricks" to SMSNotify...

1} Of course you would need to jailbreak

2} once you had SMSNotify installed, (and that is not easy since its not on Cydia at this point), you would have to try to trick it into waking up. Basically what I used to do was have my email poll interval set for 15 minutes. Since it takes some time for the device to enter low power, establish connectivity and query a exchange server for mail, smsnotify would usually get enough time to squeeze in a beep/vibrate. This did not always work but usually you would get a small reminder within 2 intervals (1/2 hour). You could decrease the poll interval but that was bad on battery so 15 was a happy medium. NOW, all of that might not work because of push, (ideally it will ONLY wake up on new email so you might not get a notification for hours/days/etc, (depends how much spam you get )

...Could you indulge me and answer like you are talking to a kindergardener? ...

Its pretty easy, once you have SSH running, go on Cydia and install BossPrefs. In its option there is an option to have SSH run on reboot. If SSH is on and the device goes into a funk there is a file you can edit, (I think its com.apple.Springboard, but if you hit the problem you can search for the steps, (I think they might be here actually)

iPhone won't boot

[Conundrum]

glad to have found this thread as I'm still running 1.1.2 for a few reasons...the largest being that I got kate to work, and haven't wanted to do anything since.

Now with 2.0 out, I really want to upgrade, but I absolutely refuse to do so until I can get some form of notification when I miss a call or sms. Unlike some of you its not job-critical for me (although I do use my cell constantly as a business phone when I am out of office), but I can't count the number of times I missed something on the phone BEFORE Kate...not to mention its NOT a solution to have to take a look at the phone to see if something got missed just because I went to the washroom and left the phone in my office, or walk away from the phone for 30 seconds.

Apple, if your reading any of this, release an app (I'm sure you guys can do daemons even if third parties are not allowed)...I'd be willing to pay without a second thought. Considering I don't have much faith in Apple on this one (after x number of updates)...hopefully someone in the scene can make a simple (hopefully free one) that works in 2.0 even when the phone is asleep (unlike smsnotify as I don't think most of us can rely on a task that might wake when email is checked).

[interstink]

SMSNotify doesnt do the trick for those of us who want an audible notification. Or does it BEEP? I dont feel my vibrating phone will wake me up at 3am. Im going to try the manual install and see...

Change the Shell a bit to play audio - not working yet...

playaudio=/usr/bin/playaudio
audiofile=/usr/bin/smsnotify/sms-Alarm.aiff

$playaudio $audiofile &

Originally Posted by interstink

SMSNotify doesnt do the trick for those of us who want an audible notification. Or does it BEEP? I dont feel my vibrating phone will wake me up at 3am. Im going to try the manual install and see...

Change the Shell a bit to play audio - not working yet...

playaudio=/usr/bin/playaudio
audiofile=/usr/bin/smsnotify/sms-Alarm.aiff

&

I've done everything I know how and am still unable to get SMSnotify to work at all with iPhone 3G. Yes... Made all changes to point to the new SMS.db location etc. Any ideas?

And yes... still waiting for KATE or Intelliscreen - they must be having issues dev. for 2.0 - would expect updates released already!

[IvanRaide]

I decided to install SMSNotify on 2.0 to see what was what, and it definately DOESN'T work out of the box, but is close.

1} PlayAudio doesn't seem to work anymore and neither does vibrate.
2} but if you install the new Erica utilities playaudio has changed to play, and using 'play' works.
3} scw_missedcalls doesn't seem to work in 2.0 either
4} I think my current problem is that the bash shell is not reading the IF statement properly because the original sql query returns the properly value of 1. (here is my script)

#!/bin/sh
smsnpath=/usr/local/smsnotify
sql=$smsnpath/sqlite3
playaudio=$smsnpath/play
audiofile=$smsnpath/alarm.aiff

while test 1
do
n=`$sql /private/var/mobile/Library/SMS/sms.db 'select count(*) from message where flags=0'`;
if [ "$n" -gt 0 ]
then
$playaudio $audiofile &
fi
sleep 30
done

[interstink]

Question: smsnpath=/usr/local/smsnotify

Seems the install shows it in smsnpath=/usr/bin/smsnotify

Is this a symbolic link or do I have to create a LOCAL directory? I dont have a usr/local on my iphone that I can see...

BTW... On a iPhone 3G

[IvanRaide]

the original SMSNotify had it in usr/local/smsnotify, but I believe the new one is in /usr/bin/smsnotify ...

I moved it to /usr/local just because there is a bunch of files in /usr/bin, but if you have the stuff in the bin location that is fine. (You don't need a symbolic link).

If you want to change the daemon location convert (plutil) the plist and change the path (pretty straight-noforward)

I STILL can't get the condition to run though, I feel like I'm retarded or something. I believe the bash statement is right, does Cydia run some type of 'different' bash shell. I looked at the firmware.sh as an example and the condition statements seem similar. Has anyone gotten this to work in 2.0?

[interstink]

I haven't been able to get this to work at all. And I have double checked everything.

If I get it work I would love to do the following:
Hardcoded "SENDER" checking in the shell script to play different sounds based on sms sender.

Example:

If
SMS_Sender = 5551212
Play_Audio1
Else
Play_DefaultAudio

etc....