[tattoojack]

so what is NT based on???


ummmm dos? thats what was used to make it. wether it is still dos or not. it was at one time.
like how mac is unix, but its not unix, its mac.
xp is dos, but its not dos, its NT.
LMAO!!!

sorry guys.

eat your wheaties.

[dale1v]

Originally Posted by tattoojack

so what is NT based on???


ummmm dos? thats what was used to make it. wether it is still dos or not. it was at one time.
like how mac is unix, but its not unix, its mac.
xp is dos, but its not dos, its NT.
LMAO!!!

sorry guys.

eat your wheaties.

no no it's based on NT framework, which is different to the DOS one, you're going too deep in now lol
I don't want your wheaties...

[Eurisko]

Tatoo's right boys. What system does XP startup on? DOS. What does it fallback on when it fails to load? DOS. How do you fix XP in recovery mode? DOS. Just use your own eyes.

[deadicatedartist]

The guy was saying Windows XP is a DOS-based OS..

It's not. It's based on Windows NT. Windows NT is a completely different structure compared to DOS. Windows XP is completely seperate from DOS.

You fix your PC in Windows Recovery Mode, it's not DOS. It's an emulated version of DOS. DOS ran by itself. It was standalone.

Windows XP does not start up on DOS. If you think that then you're mistaken. It doesn't fall back on DOS when it fails to load either, because Windows XP is not a DOS platform. XP and up once again, are completely seperate from DOS. DOS is not attached like it was original below Windows XP.

He originally said it was DOS based, which it is not. It's Windows NT based, which is a seperate architecture from DOS.

Windows XP includes NO DOS WHATSOEVER.

That's another reason why they changed to NTFS for disk driving structure.

Seriously, I've spent my entire life using DOS and Windows, up until this point.
I've got degrees, and am A+ Certified. If you want my A+ books, let me know and I'll send you them for free just to get a better understanding of the structure of file systems and Operating Systems.


And can we get back on topic? lol, this thread has been hijacked badly. Sorry to the OP.

Linux is not the iPhone language. It's that simple. The iPhone language is a Unix-based language derived from parts of Mac OS X, which is the OS of the iPhone, running on top of a simple Unix platform.

[dale1v]

lol....linux it is

[tattoojack]

NT is an upgraded version of dos. no matter what you say.
NT was based on dos, thats why you can use ntfs and dos filesystems.
i am not saying it IS dos.
i am saying it is dos's youger brother.
its like saying apple sauce is not apples. it was, you used em to make it. thats why it is called APPLE sauce. it is in some way based on or derived from APPLES.
saying NT has no relation to dos is like saying mac has no relation to unix.
its just not so.
NT is a different architecture, that was directly based on dos.
why is that so hard to understand.

YAY, linux on the iPhone!
sorry OP

[ajrulez]

1. Is Linux the Iphone Language? - Linux is not a Language It is a UNIX based operating system.

2. I was told that the Iphone uses Linux. - You heard wrong iPhone uses a "slim" version of Mac OS.

3. If it doesn't what programming language does it use? - iPhone applications (native) are developed using Obj-C (Objective C) as primary development language.

4. Years ago we programmers developed Cobolt, Basic, C, etc. - The name is "COBOL", Cobolt is a cheap car

5. I had my conflicts with Apple over writing software for their machines but still produced programs for the market. - Oh really? I doubt you write software. If you do, what LANGUAGE do you use? Windows? Fedora Core?Ubuntu?

6. Now here is the question...I want to be able to see movies on the web but this Iphone needs a flash type player. I know there must be some young genius out there who could come up with this application. - Apple and Adobe are currently working to come out with Flash support on iPhone.

Cheers

[AboveTheLogic]

this thread makes my brain hurt

[tattoojack]

Originally Posted by ajrulez

1. Is Linux the Iphone Language? - Linux is not a Language It is a UNIX based operating system.

2. I was told that the Iphone uses Linux. - You heard wrong iPhone uses a "slim" version of Mac OS.

3. If it doesn't what programming language does it use? - iPhone applications (native) are developed using Obj-C (Objective C) as primary development language.

4. Years ago we programmers developed Cobolt, Basic, C, etc. - The name is "COBOL", Cobolt is a cheap car

5. I had my conflicts with Apple over writing software for their machines but still produced programs for the market. - Oh really? I doubt you write software. If you do, what LANGUAGE do you use? Windows? Fedora Core?Ubuntu?

6. Now here is the question...I want to be able to see movies on the web but this Iphone needs a flash type player. I know there must be some young genius out there who could come up with this application. - Apple and Adobe are currently working to come out with Flash support on iPhone.

Cheers

1. cobAlt is a cheap car. cobolt is, well, i dont even know.
lol

[ajrulez]

Originally Posted by tattoojack

1. cobAlt is a cheap car. cobolt is, well, i dont even know.
lol

Oh yah...Thanks, I stand corrected

[unixcharles]

You cant compare, windows, dos, unix, osx and linux.

DOS & Windows NT are complete operating system.

Win3-95-98-ME are running on the top of DOS.

DOS & NT are different.

Windows NT kernel written directly in ASM, the lowest level programming language.
(low level language are close to the machine language itself, and high language are close to human speak)

Unix is not an OS, its standard and there is a few Operating System who are following this standard, IBM AIX and Sun Solaris to name a few.

OSX Leopard is compatible with the "Single UNIX Specification version 3", so yes its a UNIX operating system

The iPhone OS is not UNIX 3 certified, but its based on the UNIX certified Leopard Kernel.

Linux is a completely different Operating System kernel, written from scratch, that is close to the UNIX standard. In fact, Linux is POSIX compatible and is inspired of many UNIX principe.

Linux is written in the programming language C

OSX use the Darwin kernel

Darwin is not really a modified release of FreeBSD kernel. Its a Mach 3 microkernel with element of BSD.

What you ask here, is to take the Linux Mozilla Firefox engine and the linux flash plugin and to port it to iPhone software.

But there are a few issue,

1 - Port Firefox to iPhone
2- Port the Flash plugin to iPhone Firefox

The first one is a huge task, while the second issue is impossible to resolve, because that Flash not an open standard but a closed source software that belong to Adobe.

For this reason, the Flash port need to be done by Adobe, and this will never happen.
Instead, its a more possible scenario, that Adobe will work with Apple to provide a working plugin for iPhone Safari.

But again, there is a few issue.

1 - Performance, because that Flash is CPU and memory intensive and the iPhone is still just powerful phone
2 - Apple interrest

While the performance issue can be resolved, or maybe partically, its not in Apple interrest to allow Flash on their phone.

1 - Because that you can build great application with Flash, it compete the highly profitable Apps Store.
2 - Flash performance and overall experience can't be good as native apps, so its a good thing for apple to force developer to create native app.
3 - Apple try to follow standard, and its common move from them to boycott stuff like Flash, Silverlight, and other non standard crap who are preventing user to move away from Windows world.

[mgamber]

Windows NT and subsequent OS's based on it are based on a derivative of some unix microkernel. Windows stopped being DOS based when it stopped being a 16 bit system, which was several years ago. The "DOS window" is (or was) a 16 bit subsystem of Windows, not something on which Windows is based and if you boot Windows into recovery mode and you think you're in DOS, you've never actually seen DOS. Other than a command line, there's nothing similar between them whatsoever.

[ThereIsNoBall]

Since we're getting technical here, let's not forget that "DOS" really is just an acronym for "Disk Operating System" which most, (if not all?), computer operating systems technically are.

Are we talking MS DOS? PC DOS? DR DOS? Or even AppleDOS or AmigaDOS?

For the Pre-NT Windows systems we're specifically talking about MS DOS.

Just havin' a good time.

-TiNB

[graytman]

cobolt is the element right?

[Mentalikryst]

Originally Posted by ASNNetworks

It's based on a UNIX system:P not Linux but UNIX...The same goes for Mac OSX...However Linux apps are rewritable to work on Mac OSX...I think UNIX is like Linux...But not exactly the same..

The Linux Kernel is actually written in C and assembly. No C++ in it, except for a few (very few) modules not included in the official kernel. And Darwin is BSD based, not UNIX based. BSD is UNIX based though.